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Bad things are happening in Stormwind – and beyond.

The Hand of Lothar, they call themselves.

Yva Darrows was their first target.

Tirith and Aely were their second and third.

They have since… expanded their reach and escalated their methods …

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PVPers aren’t asshats – Asshats are asshats.
comment 13 Written by on August 21, 2009 – 10:54 am

In WoW, there are categories.

Categories of players, categories of guilds, categories of groups and instances and gear and all kinds of things.

Some of those categories are easy – This is a 5 man dungeon; That is a 25 man dungeon. This is cloth armor; That is mail armor. This server follows the PVP ruleset; That server follows the PVE ruleset.

Those are concrete categories.

Categorizing players, however, is harder. What is Hardcore?  What is Casual?  Does Hardcore mean “has defeated Yogg-Saron”, regardless of hours spent during the week?  Does “Casual” mean “has never been in a raid”, even if that player is online several hours every day? And what about categories that “overlap”?

The subtitle of this blog is “Because Raiding and Roleplay are not Mutually Exclusive” – obviously I overlap in those two categories.  I also spend some time every week PVPing.  I have pretty good gear, and a fair chunk of resilience.  Does that make me a PVPer?

Arguably, this kind of thing is what makes WoW successful.  Whether you want PVP, raiding, small groups, instancing, alts, or just to bum around fishing with your friends, there’s a place for you in the game.

So Where’s the Problem?

The problem comes when one category of players decides that another category of players is “insert derogatory term here”.

Everyone has a category, to other players.

If you stand in Krasus’ Landing on your Rusted Proto Drake with your full set of hardmode epics… you will get labeled as a raider. And if you ask someone that’s never been in a raid before, reads the forums all the time, and hangs out in trade chat what that means?  I’m pretty sure you won’t like their description of you.

If you’re not around in major “primetime”, do a few pugged instances, and try to give advice to a player in a high end raiding guild working on hardmodes, you might not like their reaction either.

You and they have different goals. You have different experiences of the game. And whether those category associations are right or wrong, we all butt up against them from time to time.

Unfortunately that leads to the point of this post – and something that really, REALLY burns my toast.

“Other” ness

Ok – so maybe someone’s never met a high end raider that’s not an elitist asshat.

And so they make a huge blanket statement, in front of me or directly to me, about how all high end raiders are asshats that care about nothing but epics, and their raid leaders are all immature jerks that know nothing about the game.  Most likely this is done with some kind of commiserative feeling, as though I will support them in this bashing.

I then respond “Well, I may not be in a server first guild, but I’m in a pretty high end progression raid, and generally I don’t think I’m an asshat that cares about nothing but epics, and I help lead a raid in which I’m pretty careful to either know my stuff or know who to ask about something I’m unfamiliar with.”

To which I get the reply “Well, not YOU Anna, YOU’RE not like that.”

Think about that for a second. So you expect me to take part in the bashing of a group to which I belong (raiders) and to vilify them further by making myself into some kind of raider but not-like-them raider?

It’s not a complement – and it doesn’t make the situation “better”.  I raid. I spend 7 hours a week in a 25 man raid and 4-5 (ish) in a 10 man. I work my butt off during those hours, plus the time I spend outside raid helping with rosters and strategies and making sure I’m doing the best I can with my class to keep up with where we want to be.

I’m not going to turn my back on that to commiserate about how all raiders are jerks.

I’ve done a lot of things in this game. I’ve been a nub, a raider in several different “levels” of raids, a casual, a “hardcore” (timewise, but not raiding wise), a RPer, a PVPer, an alt-leveler, a pugged healer in an instance and a healer lead for a 25 man raid; I’ve played Alliance and Horde.

And guess what?

There is not one group that “wins” on being jerks, asshats, immature, inappropriate, epix-hording, ninja-looting bastards.

So when you find yourself face to face with one of those Immature, Jerkish, Inappropriate, Epix-hording, Ninja-looting Bastards?  Take a minute, and before you tar everyone in what you think their “category” is (‘cause you might be wrong about that too), take a deep breath, and step back.

‘cause YOU certainly aren’t all of those awful things that other people say about your category.

Maybe you’re a casual player, but not a baddie.  Maybe you LOVE PVP, but you’re not a competitive jerk that spams shit in the BG channel.  Maybe you’re a great writer and RPer and you don’t engage in ERP/cyber.  Maybe you’re a raider that’s part of a group of friends that laughs and jokes and has trouble with giving away loot because everyone is too concerned with making the group better and making sure other people get the best upgrades too.

Take yourself outside of your own experience for a minute – sure, you are absolutely right to get mad at and never group again with said ninja-looting dimwit. And if they are doing something particularly despicable, you should report them to their guild leader or to a GM depending. But your experience does not define the entirety of the game.

“I don’t like PVP because it’s frustrating and not very fun” is very different from “I hate PVP because everyone that does PVP is an immature, e-peen waving 12 year old.”

Raiders are people who Raid.  RPers are people who RP. PVPers are people who PVP.

And PEOPLE are sometimes wonderful, and sometimes awful.

It’s not their category that makes them that way.  It’s their humanity.

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13 Responses to “PVPers aren’t asshats – Asshats are asshats.”

  1. I started to write a rather lengthy comment, but I realize it might make a better full-length post of my own. Suffice to say: I agree with you yet again. :P

  2. Applause. Completely agree.
    .-= Bre´s last blog ..Where Luis Gets “Payback” =-.

  3. Another excellent post and well to the point.

    By Shadowspawnd on Aug 21, 2009 | Reply
  4. Man, people that rant about things in their blogs are just isolated out of touch social retards that have no idea what they’re talking about!

    In all seriousness, totally agree. The Internet just serves to amplify our tenancies vilify any group we don’t feel included in.
    .-= Zalbuu´s last blog ..Be Careful What You Rant About in Your Blog. =-.

  5. This is similar to something I tell my students all the time. Before you blurt something out, stop, think, breathe and then say it. usually even a few moments will calm you down a bit, and its all the more true when there is no immediately available physical response from the other party – email, txt and wow chat.

    Its so easy to belt out something about/to someone in the heat of a moment and all these instant ranged communication methods make it easier to do so without actually engaging your brain first.

    My usual summary is “if you wouldn’t say it to someones face, don’t say it at all”

    By Mac on Aug 21, 2009 | Reply
  6. Preach it, Sister!
    .-= ItanyaBlade´s last blog ..Dorri has a pet =-.

  7. /clap

    awesome post.
    .-= jong´s last blog ..Aimee =-.

  8. Here, here. Fantastic post.

    By Corise on Aug 21, 2009 | Reply
  9. Well-spoken, my friend. :)
    .-= Kestrel´s last blog ..Wrapping Up The Week: Recommended Reading =-.

  10. I really couldn’t agree more. My guild is a small 10 man guild who happens to do very well in world progression. We (as a group) get complimented all the time for being helpful, nice, and over-all considerate. When we speed run something (like say, H HoS yesterday) and we have to pick up a PUG (pretty usual) I try and give them an idea of what’s about to happen – especially if they’re a healer. I’m probably a little more sensitive to this since I play all three roles on my Paladin at the end game level – and I know what it’s like to feel frazzeled.

    Me: Please speak up if we’re going to fast, I try and watch your mana but I’m not perfect. If you don’t know the fight, or have a question, please ask – and please roll greed on everything, unless it’s an upgrade – then just roll need. We’re all on vent together, so there isn’t much chatter. If you’d like to join us for jokes feel free – otherwise here’s to a successful and speedy run.

    I can’t even remember how many PuG players we’ve taken through hard modes in Ulduar – most players do just fine with some encouragement and direction.

    Of course we have to ‘pretend’ to be asshats. There’s a reputation to uphold :)

  11. Exactly! It’s our humanity that’s the problem! I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

    By Verdus on Aug 25, 2009 | Reply
  12. Well put, I salute you madam.
    .-= scrusi´s last blog ..Blizzcon Dissected – Part 2: Dumbification =-.

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