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Two Things to Read Today
comment 7 Written by on November 4, 2009 – 10:59 am


Honor’s Code discussing the tanking implications for Lay on Hands now having Forbearance. As a Holy Paladin who is normally the main healer of our Prot Paladin tank (who also happens to be my husband) this change basically takes Lay on Hands out of the Holy Paladin’s toolbox for tank healing on a lot of fights. Any fight where a tank is going to need a Hand of Protection (Heroic Northrend Beasts?) or where there is any sort of major damage cooldown where they will want to be using Divine Shield now is Lay on Hands free. Mostly because LoH is something you pop in an OH SHIT moment. Having to think “will I wipe the raid by using this? Is he going to need to bubble in the next 2 minutes?” means the answer will almost always be not using it on any progression oriented fight.

I’m not saying that LoH didn’t need balancing in PVP (Ghostcrawler’s PVP examples were good) – I just don’t think this is the answer. Holy Paladin healers have very few of the things we’re required to manage actually having any /healing/ component to them (how’s that for backwards?).  Taking Lay on Hands out of our ability toolbox reduces those healing abilities even further.  Glyph of Divinity lost out to Glyph of Beacon of Light for me awhile ago… but now it’s completely useless.


Amber makes a good point.  Except where she says “two” substitute “four, sometimes five or six”.  Right now I run ToC10, ToC10-Heroic, ToC25, and ToC25-heroic every week. And sometimes I sub in Annorah on a Wednesday or Sunday raid too. Chunk in some hardmode runs in Ulduar where I won’t get any gear upgrades and have to spend several hours in a high stress environment with only a potential rusted protodrake that I don’t really care either way about?

I’m burning out, and fast.

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7 Responses to “Two Things to Read Today”

  1. You’re missing something here: Where is the mention of the second awesome, emotionally moving and PIVOTAL RP event you put together? When you have Linedan, Tarquin, Threnn, Bricu, Feliche and Arrens nearly in tears for two hours, I think you need to exclaim, “Damn, I’m good.”

  2. Thanks Bricu. I’m glad that last night went as well as it did. It /was/ pivotal, and also heartbreaking and awesome and sad and angry all wrapped up.

    It was a wake for a great Rider, and I was honored to be able to kick it off. (and yes, I was into the box of tissues most of the evening myself)

    And, if I’m honest with myself, it’s things like last night (and last week’s party) that keep me playing.

  3. Honor makes a good point, and frankly I suspect this is a scenario the devs didn’t really consider. Either that, or they’re putting it in the PTR to see just how much it trips up paladin healers healing paladin tanks. My guess is they’ll see people having a lot of trouble with it on the PTR and will decide to put forebearance on the caster instead.

    As far as raiding issues go, it sounds like you need to take a week or two off. Granted, my guild is “business casual” (i.e., we don’t recruit or slot raiders based on class, spec, or performance, but we do raid with some regularity), but we’ve had people take a little time off here and there lately when they get busy IRL, get sick of raiding, or just want to unplug for a while. We just got a bunch of people back this week who’d left for a spell. You could stay off Wow or just stop raiding and do something else: get some Argent Tourney swag, do more RP, try out PVP, or level your alts.

    I’m sure your guild has healers who can pick up the slack.

    By el ranchero on Nov 4, 2009 | Reply
  4. I realize this will particularly screw over paladin tanks, since if someone LoHes them it will break their own bag of stay-alive tricks. What about warrior/druid/DK tanks? What else beside HoP does this break? Does this hose over other classes’ oh-shit buttons (priests mainly) on non-paladin tanks?

    As for ToC, I’m in 100% agreement. One room, five fights, four or more times a week? Uh…yeah. Bring on Icecrown plox. Although I do want to get Lin in a 10-man so I’m running ToC twice in a week (as opposed to just his 25 now). Twice, I can do. Four or more? Not so much. You’re a better gamer than I, Gunga Anna.

  5. @Linedan – other than Hand of Protection, it doesn’t really mess with other tanks? Which means that this particular mess affects 1 of the 4 tanking classes without affecting the others.

    If it equally affected all tanking classes, it would be less bad, since it’d be more of a nerf to Holy Pallies overall. As it is, it particularly penalizes Paladin Tanks with Paladin Healers – and since Holy Paladins are still specialized towards tank healing… it’s kind of badsauce.

  6. I don’t see the LoH thing as being that big a deal, honestly. I tend to use it on myself when I tank and while I could see the concern on say something like Heroic Beats, most of the time I don’t bubble myself while tanking because it also drops threat.

    And you always have to look at how much you are raiding. And remember to take breaks.

  7. Funny thing about Amber’s post is, I just made a post like that on my blog a couple days ago. Mine was kinda run-on, though, Amber said it much better. >.>

    I’m on Horde and Alliance both, and at one point I was raiding 2-3 nights a week on Horde, then another 2 on Alliance. I didn’t last long. Haven’t been on Horde for ages now, and I’ve been kinda hiding from my Alliance guild as well lately. But hey, I’ve been having fun on Feathermoon, so… /shrug

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