Written by | Posted November 19, 2013 – 4:46 pm Deconstruction

Bad things are happening in Stormwind – and beyond.

The Hand of Lothar, they call themselves.

Yva Darrows was their first target.

Tirith and Aely were their second and third.

They have since… expanded their reach and escalated their methods …

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Harnessing the Power of the Internet
comment 18 Written by on September 21, 2009 – 2:21 pm

Internet, I need your help.

I need a very specific addon.  It needs to do the following things:

  1. Allow me to add people individually to an on screen display
  2. Show those people’s health, mana, and cast bars
  3. Show the /target of their heals/ – NOT the person whom they have targetted

#3 is probably the most difficult (#1 and #2 are done easily in the standard Blizzard UI).  #3 is /kinda/ covered by the Healcomm Library, except all it shows is that there is a heal incoming on a target, not when or by whom.  The problem with #3 is that many healers are now using either mouseover macros or click-casting to heal.  Which means they can target someone’s hunter pet, and still heal the tank – and their heals aren’t going to the hunter pet.  Hence my looking for an addon that will give me that info for specific healers that I designate.

I do not know if such an addon exists.  But if it does, I know that someone out there knows about it.

I (and my fellow TRI healers) are very appreciative!

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18 Responses to “Harnessing the Power of the Internet”

  1. I’m not sure that information is even available to the UI. In the full combat log, I don’t believe it says:

    Keller begins casting Great Addon Knowledge on Anna.
    Keller’s Great Addon Knowledge heals Anna for 25 Knowledge.
    Anna hearths to Dalaran.

    I’ll let you know if I find something that looks promising!

    By Keller on Sep 21, 2009 | Reply
  2. @Keller – What makes me hopeful is that Lib Healcomm will display incoming heals. So, for instance, if i am casting a Greater Heal on Feliche, any of the other healers can see that Feliche has an estimated incoming heal of 7K.

    So the information that I am casting that Greater Heal on Feliche is THERE. and it is talking to the other healers in my raid. Unfortunately all it is is an estimate, with no timer, and the WHEN of healing is quite important. That make sense?

  3. #1, I use Grid.
    #2, I use Grid, with GridManaBars – http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/grid-mana-bars.aspx

    #3, The closest thing I know of (and it’s *not* close) is Healinc.

    http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/healinc.aspx

    What it does is show all incoming heals on *your* target. While it’s not as great as what you’re looking for, where you would ideally see this for all your healers, it does allow you to choose one most important target (MT usually) and watch the heals on them. It uses LibHealComm3 to track incoming heals, so it still can’t see instant cast heals or random procs – that hot from Forethought Talisman, or AA, or random splash from CH, for example, but it will show you any heal with a cast time incoming on that target.

    The other nice thing it does is color code those incoming heals, to show how effective it’s likely to be, based on when it lands. The weakness of the colors is it’s based on the absolute health at that moment, and cannot predict future incoming damage. still, very useful. especially in a tag healing scenario where stopcasting is viable.

    I generally regard it as a flawed mod that fills a small part of a larger hole in my visibility, and I will cheerfully dump it if anything better comes along. For now though, it shows me some things I just can’t see any other way.

    Maybe if Quartz ever came up with a raid cast bar….LibHealComm sees my heals incoming on the right target whether I’m casting with clicque or left clicking to target and then hitting a key, so that gives me hope the data is out there. We just need some enterprising mod dev to figure out a way to display it usefully.

    By Kesali on Sep 21, 2009 | Reply
  4. From the HealComm library:

    –[[ UnitCastingHealGet(unit)

    Description: Retrieve info about the direct healing spell
    currently being cast by any unit. Examples:

    UnitCastingHealGet("Kaki");
    UnitCastingHealGet("Kaki-Emerald Dream");
    UnitCastingHealGet("player")
    UnitCastingHealGet("raid10")
    UnitCastingHealGet("target")

    Input:
    unit - The name or UnitID of the unit to retrieve information about.

    Output:
    healSize - Size of the healing being cast.
    endTime - The time when the healing completes.
    targetName - Name of the unit(s) being targeted for heal.

    ]]–

    So it should be doable, yes, the information is there if the player has HealComm.

    By Buttercup on Sep 21, 2009 | Reply
  5. I think Grid Incoming Heals shows it, but if I remember right you have to have all your healers using the Healcomm Lib. My grid shows if someone is casting a heal and an estimate of the amount, but I can’t remember how I set it up to do it and I know it only works for others using the lib. Will have a look at my grid set-up to see what I can work out. There is no information on when it will hit though.

  6. @Sephrenia:

    I think she wants to show the information differently than that. She wants to be able to monitor who each healer is healing and what spell they’re casting. Grid, to the best of my knowledge, only shows who’s getting healed (not who’s doing the healing).

    By Keller on Sep 21, 2009 | Reply
  7. Exactly. I have Grid setup to show incoming heals. Unfortunately 7.5K doesn’t tell me WHEN that heal will arrive, because if it’s 7.5K in .5 seconds, I have time to push a GCD/ability that won’t heal my target but is required for my healing ability (judgment, etc) – but if its 7.5K in 2 seconds, I don’t have that kind of time.

    Hence my wanting to see the castbars and intended heal targets of the other healers in the raid.

  8. Curious, for what reason is it a benefit for you to know who is healing who in real time?

    If you are looking for a fast after action report without doing a full log, Recount will show who was healing who for a given fight.

    It seams to me the time taken to evaluate that caster A is healing tank B with spell Y, and then using that evaluation to decide if you need to cast spell X or Y on tank B based on that, will result in a huge loss of efficacy.

    By Resto on Sep 22, 2009 | Reply
  9. Because I am currently GCD capped on my paladin, and have frequently run into issues where I push the Sacred Shield button – meaning I’m not healing for a GCD – and my tank dies.

    If I can know that Healer X has an incoming heal on my target in the next 1-1.5s, I know I can take the GCD to reactivate one of the (MANY) cooldowns I need to be able to heal properly but which don’t actually do any healing.

  10. Makes sense.

    Though your tank should not be getting squashed during a single GCD, even in hard mode content.

    Are you working content well above the raids current gear lvl, either on the heals or the tanks?

    What you are describing is a tank that needs to be spam healed constantly just to be kept alive, and is getting 1-shot if a single heal is missed. I can only think of 1-2 hard mode fights ULD or ToC where that is the situation.

    In the end I don’t think an add-on such as you are describing exist, there isn’t really a need for that lvl of real time detail in the healing assignments in the game generally speaking.

    By Resto on Sep 22, 2009 | Reply
  11. I’d love to have something similar to this because I am also GCD-capped. What I want, however, is to be able to pull out a target and see the cast bars of all incoming heals on that target. Organizing it by who is casting would require me to look at too many bars before I could see if I could afford the SS or the Judgement.

  12. There was a druid mod that would let you track a couple of different people you could set manually…gah, I don’t remember what it was called, but I remember I saw it on wowinterface….hmmm… >.> Phone systems are out at work…*sneaks over to look*

    By Dulcea on Sep 22, 2009 | Reply
  13. Ok, so a quick look showed me I obviously don’t remember the name, BUT! Have you just pulled out the individual people you’re looking to target in the blizzard raid UI? You can pull them out by group, or just a single person. Although I don’t remember offhand if the blizzard UI plays nicely with visual heal/lib healing com.

    By Dulcea on Sep 22, 2009 | Reply
  14. @Dulcea – the problem is, this won’t show me what I want. (See #3) – with most people using mouseover healing, seeing their cast bars and targets shows me that they’re casting a Greater Heal, and that they have Soandso targeted, but there is no way to know if they’re actually casting that heal ON their target or on someone else. Therefore making that information useless. :(

  15. @Nahyomi – I like your idea better. I’m going to look into that mod linked in one of the previous comments (Healinc) because at least, if it shows all incoming heals on my TARGET, that’s a step in the right direction. It’s not as good as being able to say “I want to see all incoming heals on MTDude and OTDudette”, but it’s better than what I have now, which is nothing.

  16. @Kesali – I’m looking into Healinc. It’s not exactly what I want, but it’s at least a step closer.

  17. The root of your problem problem is going to be the fact that the only way to get exact spell target details about *other* characters is if they have some sort of healing library that is PUSHING that data to the rest of the raid–you can’t get it from the default API. That being said, if you can get everyone using the same library (or addons that use the same library) then it’s theoretically possible to do what you’re looking for.

  18. @Brandon – That’s what LibHealComm-3.0 is for. Almost all UI/Interface mods use it, for that exact reason. The display of “expected incoming heals” by a numerical value is a standard part of healing.

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