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comment 15 Written by on December 13, 2008 – 4:12 pm

Dear People Who Group With Me In Heroics:

Remember how level 70 heroics were hard when you first did them?  I know, I know, the people on the cesspool official forums say heroics are easy.  They probably ARE easy, since those people are in 10 man Naxx gear.

But, you’re undergeared.  I’m undergeared.  The tank is undergeared.  This isn’t 3.0 before Lich King where you can brute force everything.  Stop screwing around, use your CC buttons, stand BEHIND the mobs, and please, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, do not bring your level 75 pet so you can “get him some levels”.  And don’t be afraid to chug a health potion if you are stupid and pull aggro or stand in a fire.

Also, I’m going to have to drink after just about every pull that involves more than one monster.  This means that if you finish the fight without full health, YOU GET TO EAT TOO.  I don’t have the kind of mana that lets me fling around huge heals post fight.  Eat a biscuit, dammit.



PS: Thanks BRK for illustrating exactly why!

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15 Responses to “Dear…”




    By Tarq on Dec 13, 2008 | Reply
  2. Hear, hear! One thing I’m really not looking forward to is healing PUG heroics. But I made a resolution to PUG more… I’m sure I will regret it soon 🙂

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  3. Ooch! /hug

    Y’know, for the last few days, the heroics I’ve been going to have been just wipe after wipe, and all this time I have really thought I was just sucking like crazy. However, the advice not to brute force everything might be applicable even to folks who aren’t undergeared — or whose gear shortcuts are starting to wear thin (I mean, hell, I replaced three things in the last three days). *clings to hope!*

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  4. And this is why Parsi doesn’t heal unless someone tortures him to. And also why he died 302840384032840328042 times when being pulled through the bloody heroics in BC, because he was always needing mana and nobody ever stopped to drink because he runs with tanks 😛

    By Parsi on Dec 13, 2008 | Reply
  5. Anna = win! Here, here for the plight of the under geared Resto Shaman in Heroics, I feel your pain.

  6. do not bring your level 75 pet so you can “get him some levels”

    When the difference for a MM Hunter like me is about 220 DPS for a 75 pet versus 450-500 for a 80 pet, and my personal DPS is 2500-2600, it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

    But people are going to keep whining about it when they invite me and I have Mynia or Oona and they’re going to keep eating crow when I demolish the place. *shrug*

  7. @Rilgon Arcsinh:

    I rarely work in real numbers, but let’s, for the sake of things, say you do 2600 DPS. And your level 80 pet does 500 DPS; and your level 75 pet does 220 DPS

    You + 75 pet = 2820 DPS
    You + 80 pet = 3100 DPS

    2820/3100 = .909 or 90.9% You’re losing around 10% of your potential overall DPS by taking a level 75 pet. And that’s kind of a lot, especially if the rest of the group is depending on as much DPS as possible, since survivability – not aggro – is the bane of tanks in level 80 heroics. Especially with a healer that’s having trouble keeping enough GCD max rank heals on the tank to keep him/her alive. 🙂

    By Anna on Dec 14, 2008 | Reply
  8. @Anna: Then why is it me that’s getting called out, when I’m easily supporting my own weight (because I’ve geared up in heroic/level 80 quest gear) when the DPSers who’re behind the tank aren’t?

    Yes, a BM Hunter is going to be at a large handicap with a sub-80 pet by their side. A MM Hunter is not, and the lack of distinction is getting really old, especially as someone that’s been MM since 1.0.

  9. @Rilgon Arcsinh:

    Unfortunately, you’re (and by “you’re” I mean hunters with sub-leveled pets) getting called out because you’re willingly gimping your dps by 10% in a hard instance. Other DPS can’t get away with doing 10% less damage, especially with something as simple as “bring an appropriately leveled pet” or, for other DPS classes, have weapon skill in your dps weapon. Both require grinding, and both are necessary to attempt difficult content. I could easily add the weapon skill thing to the list.

    By Anna on Dec 14, 2008 | Reply
  10. I’ve done a half-dozen heroics with Oona and Mynia (my Sporebat and Moth – previously level 75, now about halfway through 76) and it has never been a liability. And not easy ones, either – I’m talking Heroic UP, Heroic HoL, Heroic HoS, and the like.

    If my DPS is high enough that I can take a 10% DPS dip and still break 2500 composite (pet + hunter) DPS routinely, where’s the harm? I’d personally think the Mage doing 1300 (when our tank is doing about the same) is more worthy of being called out than the Hunter who’s trying to kill two birds with one stone…

  11. Not to add more fuel to the argument, but allow me to elaborate on some of your observations of hunter pets. However, also understand that I have not seen heroics yet, so I can’t be speaking for hunters everywhere.

    The classification of pets into Tenacity, Ferocity, and Cunning has allowed hunters to use exclusively Tenacity pets to maximize their leveling speed due to the ease of pet tanking. As a result, switching between all our pets while leveling to ensure everyone is at the same level will actually hamper our ability to quest efficiently.

    I often switch out my Tenacity pet with my Ferocity pet when going into instances. However, the time I spend in instances is far less compared to when I am questing, thus it is bound to happen that our Ferocity pets will be left behind in terms of level. But this does not necessarily mean they cannot live up to their expectations. I can personally state that I made two runs in Violet Hold as a level 74. The first time, I outDPS’d a 79 shadow priest by 160 using a level 70 cat. The second time, my DPS was on par with a level 80 enhancement shaman and a 79 fire mage. However, as Rilgon has also admitted, I am a Marksmanship hunter.

    It is not by choice that we enter instances with sub-level pets. The game mechanics unfortunately makes it unfavorable to use Ferocity pets while leveling, likewise when using a correct-level Tenacity pet for heroics DPS. The observations you make is only a phase due to the “lag”. In a few weeks, you will see these trends disappearing.

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  12. All hail his noodly goodness.

    /bow head in piety

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  13. Rilgon, you’re calling up a legion of hypothetical scenarios drawn from your own experience to contest this. Yes, if you’re doubling the damage of another DPSer in the group then your underleveled pet isn’t the biggest problem. Yes, if you’re blowing through the instance regardless, then go ahead and level your new kitty or whatnot. I think it’s pretty clear that this isn’t what Anna is talking about.

    If a hunter’s group is wiping, on the other hand, and he’s running around with a level 75 pet, then damn right he should go get the appropriate pet. Just as the rogue in the group should be spec’d for the weapons he’s maxed out his skill with, not levelling a backup weapon for shits and giggles; just as the healer should spec for healing, not just roll in as a hybrid in healy gear.

    All these things are of course perfectly possible depending on the difficulty of the instance and the gear, composition, and skill of the group. God knows I’ve spent enough time leveling thrown or swords on joke fights. But if the group is dying, I put on my big boy pants. That’s what this post is about.

    By Tarq on Dec 14, 2008 | Reply
  14. Hehe, Anna. As you know Im a grumpy old bastard. I have a lot of opinions on many things but – and this is especially true of pugs – communication is the thing that fails and why pugs frequently have problems.

    I have some basic expectations. The most basic one is that if you dont know something about the encounter or instance, ask.

    More communication stuff and mostly from a tanks perspective:
    – Healers. When Im tanking talk to me. I run with a lot of different people with different classes, gear, specs and comfort zones. I know my limits, but tell me yours. Healers get a good feel for their tank pretty quickly. If Im DPSing and die, well thats my own bloody fault and I deserve the repair bill. If I die as a tank then there are some issues that need sorting out (even if its just lag)
    – DPS, when Im tanking, talk to me. If moving a mob two feet to the left would make your job easier, tell me. I /only/ know melee DPS and really only paladin DPS
    – CCers, talk to me. Every bloody thing changed with 3.0 and Im having enough fun relearning my class. If you can now CC that dargon when you couldnt before, let me know

    So many issues and hassles could be solved by simply saying something. Also listening to whats being said helps.

    Oh, one final healer rant. I thought we’d learned this in BC but apparently not. Please dont stand in the fire

    By Mac on Dec 14, 2008 | Reply
  15. The obvious solution is to level that death knight… I has heals!


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